From: Lynn McIntosh [faiml@uswest.net] Sent: Saturday, October 16, 1999 10:12 AM To: mjanke@miamiferret.org Subject: (Fwd) Adrenal List #32 Forwarded message: From: Self To: @SENDLIST.PML Subject: Adrenal List #32 Reply-to: Lynn McIntosh Date: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 18:44:51 ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Wed, 30 Jul 1997 22:58:11 -0700 (PDT) From: Lynn Mcintosh To: Adrenal Group -- Amy Cada , AndresenK@aol.com, Anthony.Mastropolo@sandoz.com, beek@feist.com, Beth , boots@icrossroads.com, "Brian L. Schmidt" , Cat13Dog5@aol.com, dadams@dzn.com, Dave and Pam Taynor , Dixie Carter , Ela_Heyn@notes.pw.com, Ellen Jensen , ferreton@pond.com, ferretwise@top.monad.net, Gabby , Gary Holowicki , Helen Andersson , Jan3GDFA@aol.com, Jason & Alison Overstreet , Jennifer Skeem , Jennifer_Morlanne@email.fpl.com, Jill Galindo , Jim Dunn , Joanne Gelormino , Juliana Quadrozzi - GA Domestic Ferret Association , "Karen Purcell, DVM" , karen wisniewski , Lee McKee , Lisaferets@aol.com, Lorraine Tremblay , lotaweasel , Margaret Lehman , "Mary L. McCarty" , "Michael F. Janke" , Monica Maples , Pam Franklin , Pam Franklin , Patricia Curtis , ROCHELLE@art.fss.buffalo.edu, Sburbine@aol.com, sterling , TMccabe453@aol.com, TrinaSing@aol.com, Troy Lynn Eckart , Tryntje Miller , "Valori K. Blank" , Vicky James Subject: Adrenal List #32 Adrenal List #32 1. Reply: Wally 2. Reply: Wally 3. Bobo Update 4. Adrenal List #31 5. Our Oliver 6. Thanks to Lisa 1.---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Tue, 29 Jul 1997 08:27:03 -0400 (EDT) From: ferretwise@top.monad.net Subject: Reply: Wally >Wally's going in for an exam and workup tomorrow - in all liklihood >adrenal. His spleen is huge. I'll keep you all posted. >I'm wondering how all our recent surgical fuzzies are doing. I'll be >going up to Big Foot, Oreo and Pam's vet tomorrow, and feel very good >about it. Lynn Mc. Hello Lynn, I am a bit confused-- are there other symptoms which suggest adrenal? The enlarged spleen may indeed be lymphosarcoma... any hair loss on the underside or belly??? Alicia 2.---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Tue, 29 Jul 1997 08:27:03 -0400 (EDT) From: Lynn Mcintosh To: ferretwise@top.monad.net Subject: Reply: Wally Hi Alicia. Sorry to be so sketchy. I thought I'd recently written about Wally, not that that means everyone would have seen/remembered it - even me it seems! Wally does indeed have hair loss. He first lost some hair last August, but when the seasons changed it all grew right back in nicely. About six weeks ago, though, he started losing hair again. He's real itchy and is dragging his penis about on things, and I've seen a few dribbles and one instance of apparent agressive behavior. Hair loss started on chest, went down tummy, and proceeded around chest. Most of his guard hairs around his chest are gone, so he's now Siamesey. He was examined today and his right kidney is very enlarged, but the vet said she could be feeling an adrenal tumor. He's getting an estradiol test and we'll proceed from their to ultrasound or exploratory surgery. I asked why he would have hair loss with a kidney tumor and she said he probably wouldn't. My hunch says big adrenal tumor. I think we'll opt to have it debulked and, when symptoms return, start with Lysodren. Or, we may just start with chemical treatment, since the diseased adrenal tissue just seems to regenerate. I got an update today, and the vet says he doesn't have a UT infection, but has blood in the urine, which she relates to the "malfunctioning" kidney. My gut feeling says she's on the wrong track, but any feedback is welcome. Does palpating a big right adrenal tend to feel like a lumpy kidney? How is Oreo doing on Lysodren, Pam? We'll know more when we get the estradiol, and I'll post the results. Thanks. Lynn 3. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Tue, 29 Jul 1997 07:09:54 -0600 From: dave adams Subject: Re: Bobo update Sorry I have not posted for a couple of days. Things have gotten a little hectic in that another ferret Rambo has come down ill with what appeared to be insulinoma-- loss of energy weak rear end some response to direct input of kayro. Well went to vet glucose was normal but he is enemic and low potassium,calcium, and phosporus. Giving him pet tinic, amoxy, potassium supplement, Timmy's tea and mush. Holding his own maybe slight improvement in three days. Back to Bobo-- taking him to have stitches removed this am. He is a real pistol now cannot keep him down. Still feeding him the SD feline food plus Timmy's tea and antibiotics three times a day. Hoping to keep urinary tract infection away and urine ph acidic. Picking ph paper today. Hard part here is collecting a sample Bobo just doesn't understand what to do with the little cup!!!!. But when you want them to miss boy can they always find the litter box. No new signs of any other adrenal related problems. Again I would like to point out that Bobo did not experience any hair loss. Just maybe an early remove of involved cancerous gland. Thanks Dave Adams + 16fbs and one visitor 4.---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Tue, 29 Jul 1997 08:41:17 -0600 From: Troy Lynn Eckart Subject: Re: Adrenal List #31 Juliana - You may want to try a depoprovera injection first. Of course it doesn't always work, as in Kadies case but it would be worth a try maybe. Kadie had the typical symptoms of swollen vulva and hair loss but there was something not quite adrenal about her. Late last year her vulva was slightly swollen then went down. Feb it started to swell again. I thought ovarian remnant so we went with the depo injection to no avial. When Larry went in for surgery he was aware of my earlier thought that it wasn't adrenal. Thank goodness. He checked the adrenals and they were fine so he checked lower and lower and finally found a tiny piece of ovarian remnant had sent up shop by the mesentary (sp). It had an entire network set up and was going to work daily. :-) Anyway he removed it, Kadie's swelling went down and the others don't bother her quite as much as before. She actually can curl up with a group without being mauled. Of course Randa Sue still picks on her but Randa picks on all new girls, even when they aren't so new anymore. Hope this is helpful. Hugs to all. tle 5..---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Wed, 30 Jul 1997 13:32:24 -0500 From: Jason & Alison Overstreet Subject: Our Oliver Hello, everyone! We just wanted to tell you about our (?) adrenal ferret, Oliver. The reason there is a (?) is because we cannot be certain that Oli has adrenal disease. His condition is very perplexing to both us and our vet. Here is a synopsis: Oliver is a 1 year, 4 mon. old silver mitt from Marshall Farms who we love dearly, along with our 2 other ferrets, Petey (a sable, almost 2 yrs. old), and Chloe (a dark-eyed white, 8 mons. old). Last October, Oliver became quite ill with what our vet calls a Fever of Unknown Origin. He had a very high fever for 2-3 dys, wouldn't eat much, and was very lethargic. Oli lost some weight and after he recovered weighed 2.5 lbs. He was his old self again in a matter of a week. Now, for the past month we have noticed that Oliver has become extremely thin, although he eats _more_ than the other 2 combined! Oliver eats his regular food, Science DIet Feline Growth, and loves all kinds of treats like raisins, bananas, dried fruit, linatone, etc. We are careful not to give him too many treats. He acts just fine--plays and sleeps like a normal ferret. We took him to our vet, Dr. Pariso, since we were so concerned about his weight about 3 wks. ago. She is an excellent vet and we trust her completely. Sure enough, he weighed 2.3 lbs. which doesn't seem so bad, but to look at him, gosh! He appears so thin! Dr. Pariso was concerned, especially since he weighs less now than when he was so sick last year. She also said that even that small of a drop in weight is significant. So, Dr. Pariso did all the normal checks to see if anything was wrong (stool sample, ear swab, etc.). Nothing turned up and we decided to continue monitoring Oliver for another month, and if he didn't gain more weight, we'd do some blood work on him. Well, last week, we noticed that Oliver was shedding quite heavily and losing hair on the tip of his tail. We were immediately very afraid, knowing that loss of hair is a symptom of adrenal disease. Oliver seemed to be itching an awful lot as well, but our others have been itching too. Also, all 3 of our ferts have already gone thru their shedding period a few mons. ago, and Petey and Chloe are not shedding at all. So, back to the vet we went... Dr. Pariso did blood work, X-rays, and a chem test. She checked him over thoroughly and we found some red spots on his body, apparently bruises from his excessive itching. She found nothing else, except on his X-ray...there is a small abnormal spot around his intestine, but nothing that would make alarms go off. Otherwise, he seems perfectly healthy and still loves to play with us and Petey and Chloe. So, now it is really up to us as to what we do next. Dr. Pariso would like to do an exploratory on Oli, but also understands if we want to wait and see what happens in another few weeks. For now, we have decided to take him back in 3 wks. unless his condition worsens. He hasn't lost any more hair on his tail, the shedding isn't as bad, and the itching has subsided a bit. We are so hoping he is OK, but if he has adrenal, we want to help him in any way we can. We just don't want to make him have surgery if he doesn't need it. If anyone has any suggestions or comments, we would really welcome them! We are so glad to have a resource like this for support! Thanks, Lynn! Alison and Jason Overstreet /`\ ____ ,^.-, Jason,Alison,Petey,Oliver, & Chloe ,-o^, ___ /'\ ``-,' `-';~~ email: jalison@primenet.com ~~;'-' `-'' .',-'~`../' web: http://www.primenet.com/~jalison/ `\..'~';,' `^^ `^^ ^^ ^^ 6.---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Wed, 30 Jul 1997 23:34:32 -0400 (EDT) From: Ster2u@aol.com Subject: Thanks to Lisa I am really glad you found a good home for the prairie dog. I did some research on them and you were right. The bond very tightly with their people and with other animals in "their care" as they apparently see it. Here are some things that I learned that you might pass along if the new person isnt sure. Prairie dogs need a certain diet. They like hay, and should get rodent blocks along with fruits and vegetables. They need a hard piece of wood to keep theri teeth from growing too long. They tend to get fat in captivity and shouldnt weigh over four pounds. Corn on the cob is usually a favorite food. They also like carrots green beans plums collard greens and raisins. Too much fruit gives them the runs. Dont ever give a prairie dog the green part of a potato its toxic to them. Dont give them too many nuts. They dont tolerate cedar shavings just like ferrets. Corn cob bedding is ok for them. Prairie dogs apparently dont take baths well so wearing gloves is advisable. They should never be kept alone. They are too social for that. They dont need any shots and arent prone to being sickly. Thanks for calling me and letting me know. Let me know if you need a home for anybody in the future........have weasels .....will travel.....also send me your address again Smiles ster2872@gte.net Sterling -------------------End of Adrenal LIst #32-----------------------