From: Lynn McIntosh [faiml@uswest.net]
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To: mjanke@miamiferret.org
Subject: (Fwd) Adrenal List #34

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Date: Sun, 10 Aug 1997 01:10:40 -0700 (PDT)
From: Lynn Mcintosh
To: Adrenal Group -- Amy Cada <amycada@utxvms.cc.utexas.edu>,
    AndresenK@aol.com, Anthony.Mastropolo@sandoz.com, beek@feist.com,
    Beth <Beth4Ferrets@worldnet.att.net>,
    "Brian L. Schmidt" <blschmidt@msn.com>, Cat13Dog5@aol.com,
    dadams@dzn.com, Dave and Pam Taynor <taynor@ix.netcom.com>,
    Dixie Carter <dervish@scrye.com>, Ela_Heyn@notes.pw.com,
    Ellen Jensen <rainbow@iserv.net>, ferreton@pond.com,
    ferretwise@top.monad.net, ferts@telusplanet.net,
    gabby <ferty@earthlink.net>, Gary Holowicki <garyh@indirect.com>,
    Helen Andersson <Helen.E.Andersson@telia.se>, Jan3GDFA@aol.com,
    Jason & Alison Overstreet <jalison@primenet.com>,
    Jennifer Skeem <tmagic@mail.inconnect.com>,
    Jennifer_Morlanne@email.fpl.com,
    Jim Dunn <jim_dunn@pairgain.com>, Joanne Gelormino <moxieent@tiac.net>,
    Joerg Drobniewski <DROBS@vb.fhtw-berlin.de>,
    Juliana Quadrozzi - GA Domestic Ferret Association
     <ferretdiva@mindspring.com>,
    "Karen Purcell, DVM" <drkaren@world.std.com>,
    karen wisniewski <zuni2000@hotmail.com>,
    lbarber <lbarber@ASCN.FASEB.ORG>, Lee McKee <lmckee@user1.channel1.com>,
    Lisaferets@aol.com, Lorraine Tremblay <fcshop@ferretcuriosity.on.ca>,
    lotaweasel <lotaweasel@hub.infoave.net>,
    Margaret Lehman <cyberjoc@worldnet.att.net>,
    "Mary L. McCarty" <MMccarty@minitab.com>,
    "Michael F. Janke" <mjanke@gate.net>,
    Monica Maples <d.maples@ix.netcom.com>,
    Pam Franklin <pfrankl1@IX.NETCOM.COM>,
    Pam Franklin <PFranklin@panlabs.com>, Patricia Curtis <ffrs@flash.net>,
    Rick Riley <rickr@icanect.net>, ROCHELLE@art.fss.buffalo.edu,
    Sburbine@aol.com, sterling <ster2872@gte.net>, TMccabe453@aol.com,
    Tobibags@aol.com, TrinaSing@aol.com,
    Troy Lynn Eckart <teckart@oz.oznet.ksu.edu>,
    "Valori K. Blank" <vkblank@students.wisc.edu>,
    Vicky James <ferret1@m6.sprynet.com>
Subject: Adrenal List #34


Hi there!  Really short list tonight, which is fine as I must toddle off
to bed.  Wally had exploratory surgery Tuesday, and a huge mass was found
wrapped around what may be the vena cava.  Still awaiting histology
results.  He's recovering for a week, and his vet, as she has newer seen
anything like this, is consulting.  The growth is the size of a elongated
golf ball, or a bit bigger, definitely longer.  The tumor was so
encapsulated in the vein only a needle biopsy could be taken!

Will know, and send more, early next week.  Wally seems a bit tired, but
is otherwise seeming okay, though lots of hair loss.  With the elevated
estradial, adrenal is a possibility.  At least we might be able to treat
this chemically.  We'll see.  Ligating the vena cava (if that's what it
is) is also a possibility at this point.  Thank you for reminding me of
this Alicia.  We considered it during surgery, but took the safer route
for now.

Thank you so much to those of you who wrote on surgery day!  And thanks
for all your support up here in Seattle, Pam.  I hope Oreo is doing well,
and Big Foot, Fluffy, and Chubba Wubba!

I'm off to bed so I can head down the coast tomorrow for the Oregon Ferret
Association Fun Match!!!! 

Lynn Mc.

P.S.  Dave, I'm so glad Bobo is better!  With that left adrenal removed I
sure hope he gets some significant recovery!!

Lynn Mc.


Adrenal List #34, dated August 10, 1997

1.  Bobo Update
2.  Alternatives to adrenal surgery


1.---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Wed, 6 Aug 1997 17:38:26 -0600
From: dave adams <dadams@dzn.com>
Subject: Re: Bobo update

Well Bobo is back with his bunch and seems to be doing ok.  We are still
feeding him the SD feline special food to try to keep the urine ph acidic.
The poor guy has large spots of hair loss.  I think the areas are where he
had subq fluids and other inputs.  The hair matted around the area and would
come right off with very little coaxing.  I talked to one of the vet techs
at the clinic, since the vet was off today, and she says that the
anesthesia(sp) can cause some hair loss.  Well Bobo had his fair share of
that he was under 4 times in 5 days.  If anyone is interested in the
catherization proceedures used on Bobo please let me know or one can contact
Dr McCabe directly at 915-755-2231(clinic phone number in El Paso Tx).  I
know that this catherization saved Bobo and maybe it can help someone else. 

There has been some discussion about hair loss or lack of it and adrenal
problems.  Again Bobo had no decernable hair loss prior to surgery.
Although the surgery was for the urinary problem the left adrenal was very
much effected with cancer.  Dr McCabe believes the urinary stones/crystals
were a result of and infection which was possibly caused by prostate
problems which in turn were caused by the adrenal gland.

Bobo has not gained any weight but the SD food probably is not that
nutritional from the standpoint of weight.  I think he is eating other food
but not like he used to.  

Dave Adams +16fbs and still one visitor.


2.---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Thu, 07 Aug 1997 13:22:13 -0400
From: Rick Riley <rickr@icanect.net>
Subject: alternatives to adrenal surgery

Dear Fellow Adrenal Groupies,

    I am new to the list but have been reading lately the questions
about alternatives to adrenal surgery.  I have a 3 yr albino femal MF 
who at 2 yrs had no hair loss but a slightly swollen vulva.  I 
decided to get the surgery over with and head this thing off at the 
pass (besides, I wanted to see if she had possibly not been 
completely spayed.)  The vet could find nothing.  Adrenals looked 
normal, no sex organs, etc. and since he said that 95% of the time 
the problem is in the left adrenal, he removed that one anyway. He 
had it sent out and it came back showing a non-malignant pin dot 
tumor.  I was relieved and feeling confident all was well, happily 
nursed my post surgical princess and waited for the fur on her shaved
belly to grow back and her vulva to go down.  I waited and waited and
waited.
    After 6 months nothing had changed except all of her hair had now
fallen out.  I knew then that she also had a tumor in her right adrenal
and I did not want to go through that again.  Not only did I not want to
put her through the invasive trauma again but I also know how dangerous
removal of the right adrenal can be.  So I started researching the
adrenal gland i.e. what it does, what it needs, what can go wrong.
    While I was researching, I put her on some vitamins and supplements
mixed with soft food just to get started boosting her immune system.  
After three weeks I started adding supplements that were specifically 
meant to target the adrenal gland.  Within four weeks, I saw her 
vulva start to shrink and within 8 weeks, her naked skin was all 
fuzzy.  I started this treatment in November of last year and today, 
she is a healthy, plump, happy, gorgeous ferret with the most 
beautiful coat of fur I've ever seen.  It feels like a rabbit.  The 
only set back I had was in the spring, during the normal breeding 
season when I noticed her vulva slightly peak out again.  There was 
no change in her fur.  I made a couple of changes to the recipe and 
her vulva went back to normal.    This is all just an experiment for 
me but it's working.  I have five other people on the recipe and all 
but one have had success and that one has not been on it long.
    I will be more than happy to e-mail a copy to anyone interested. (Or
Lynn, if it's ok, I could just post it on the list.)
    Whichever route you take, I wish you and your little ones all the
best.

For the Ferrets,
Carin Riley
Development Committee Chairman
South Florida Ferret Club and Rescue, Inc.


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