From: Lynn McIntosh [faiml@uswest.net] Sent: Saturday, October 16, 1999 10:12 AM To: mjanke@miamiferret.org Subject: (Fwd) Adrenal LIst #35 Forwarded message: From: Self To: @SENDLIST.PML Subject: Adrenal LIst #35 Reply-to: Lynn McIntosh Date: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 18:45:14 ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 22:02:53 -0700 (PDT) From: Lynn Mcintosh To: Adrenal Group -- Amy Cada , AndresenK@aol.com, Anthony.Mastropolo@sandoz.com, beek@feist.com, Beth , "Brian L. Schmidt" , Cat13Dog5@aol.com, dadams@dzn.com, Dave and Pam Taynor , Dixie Carter , Ela_Heyn@notes.pw.com, Ellen Jensen , ferreton@pond.com, ferretwise@top.monad.net, ferts@telusplanet.net, gabby , Gary Holowicki , Helen Andersson , Jan3GDFA@aol.com, Jason & Alison Overstreet , Jennifer Skeem , Jennifer_Morlanne@email.fpl.com, Jill Galindo , Jim Dunn , Joanne Gelormino , Joerg Drobniewski , Juliana Quadrozzi - GA Domestic Ferret Association , "Karen Purcell, DVM" , karen wisniewski , lbarber , Lee McKee , Lisaferets@aol.com, Lorraine Tremblay , lotaweasel , Margaret Lehman , "Mary L. McCarty" , "Michael F. Janke" , Monica Maples , Pam Franklin , Pam Franklin , Patricia Curtis , Rick Riley , ROCHELLE@art.fss.buffalo.edu, Sburbine@aol.com, sterling , TMccabe453@aol.com, Tobibags@aol.com, TrinaSing@aol.com, Troy Lynn Eckart , "Valori K. Blank" , Vicky James Subject: Adrenal LIst #35 Hi there. Looks like (according to histo of tiny needle biopsy) that Wally's giant tumor is adrenal! Yay!! That means we have a shot at treating it!!! I got married this afternoon, and true to good ferret form, spent this eve. (partially) playing with Tarzan (if he was a man Janos wouldn't have a chance!), cleaning fuzzies' cages, the house, etc. We must clean ears and clip claws before Janos leaves for Hungary tomorrow morning... (true to good fuzzy form I'll stay home and tend our kids - much preferable to a jaunt in Europe to me, anyway). Then we can eat dinner... leaves a lot of energy for... SLEEP! Fuzzy Hugs, Lynn Mc. Adrenal List #35, dated August 11, 1997 1. Reply: Adrenal List #34 2. Reply: Adrenal List #34 3. E-Coli overgrowth recipe 4. Shadow- semi-urgent... 1.---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Sun, 10 Aug 1997 10:29:28 -0600 From: Barbara Gustafson Subject: Re: Adrenal List #34 Hi All, I know I haven't posted recently but really I'm still here lurking in the background. It's just I've been so darn busy. I apologize for not sending my support to those of you going through surgery with you furrkids. I've been sending it telepathically, as well as saying a prayer for each and every one. Tippie my adrenal kid is holding her own. No regrowth of hair, but at the same time it doesn't appear to be spreading. She's been getting sores on her skin, which doesn't surprise me as she's still scratching a lot and has no hair to protect her. That plus the fact we've had a bad year for mosquito's which as hard as you try to keep them out still find a way into the house. I got some Neomedrol cream from the vet which seems to help. I've noticed other's who seem to be experiencing the same problems Tippie is. By that I mean that when surgery was done, nothing was found. I still don't understand how she can have all the symptoms yet no tumors. Anyway, this posting from Rick has prompted me to take the time to respond. I would like to know what vitamins and supplements he's using. Tippie is currently on Timmy's recipe and I'm curious to know if Rick is using the same products that Gary Holowicki uses in his recipe. My thoughts and prayers are with you all. Barb Gustafson (aka Boots) Alberta Ferret Society > Date: Thu, 07 Aug 1997 13:22:13 -0400 > From: Rick Riley > Subject: alternatives to adrenal surgery > > While I was researching, I put her on some vitamins and supplements > mixed > with soft food just to get started boosting her immune system. After > three weeks I started adding supplements that were specifically meant to > target the adrenal gland. > For the Ferrets, > Carin Riley > Development Committee Chairman > South Florida Ferret Club and Rescue, Inc. 2.---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Sun, 10 Aug 1997 13:49:26 +0000 From: "Jennifer L. Skeem" Subject: Re: Adrenal List #34 subject: Carin Riley's adrenal recipe Thanks for the post, Carin. Would you be willing to post your recipe to the list? What are the ingredients that target adrenal symptoms? Thanks, Jennifer, Bonnier & Zoe 3.---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: 11 Aug 1997 18:22:41 -0000 From: dervish@scrye.com Subject: E-Coli overgrowth recipe Hello everyone, Nick is going to the vet today and I spent the weekend getting the ingredients for the E-Coli overgroth recipe TLE posted. I have a question about the 2 cans of SD A/D I assume Science Diet but I can't figure out the A/D part. He's on antibiotics so how can we repopulate the prostrate with 'good' bacteria if we are on antibiotics?? Also, Missy has violently thrown up twice last week so she getts to be the vet's surprise visitor today. She eats and poops but mom's worry. -Dixie Carter 4.---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 23:33:32 -0400 (EDT) From: ROCHELLE@art.fss.buffalo.edu Subject: Shadow- semi-urgent... I'm looking for any suggestions for my eldest, Shadow. Shadow will be 7 this winter, and has been living with insulinoma for about a year and 9 months. (She had two surgeries for it early on, one by our regular vet, one by an expert in another town - neither vet found anything, so we're assuming its too diffuse, or hiding in the liver -- regardless, it doesn't seem to be treatable surgically). The problem, however, isn't the insulinoma -- between proglycem and pred her blood sugar levels are fairly steady, and she's not having any seizures or hind-end weakness. The problem is that everything else seems to be falling apart as well. Shadow had her left adrenal removed a year and a half ago, after which her hair regrew, she had more energy, etc. Now she's showing signs of right adrenal problems - massive hair loss, vulvar swelling, thin skin, muscle loss, etc. But far worse are all the other "little" things -- a month ago, she started having some bleeding ulcers. We got that stabilized, but now she's having sneezing fits (even gave herself a bloody nose a few times), and her skin is incredibly itchy - she has scratched herself raw (not hard with thin skin, admittedly), and the majority of her waking time is spent either scratching or sneezing. (For what its worth, she also has an enlarged spleen, and has been quite lethargic. She's eating and drinking, but is down to only a pound, which is quite low for her - mostly muscle wasting, I think.) Allergies don't seem to be the problem - with a quarter tab of pred a day, she should be getting enough steroids to prevent an allergic reaction. We did just move, but the sneezing and itching started a week before the move, so it isn't the new house. She's been on amoxi for a month, and we're switching her to clavamox, in case there's a skin infection. Plus, the vet just gave her a shot of ivermectin, in case her weakened system just succumbed to a parasite the others aren't having problems with (everyone else is healthy). Is there anything else we can do? I don't think she's strong enough to survive adrenal surgery, and I don't think thats really the primary problem anyway - its more like everything else is shutting down. But the itching is making her miserable enough that we're beginning to think that its time to say goodbye. I don't want to just add more and more long-term meds - she hates all the ones she's on, and waking her every few hours to give her more meds doesn't really increase her quality of life. But if anyone has any suggestions on how to keep her from itching so much, I'd really be grateful to hear them. At the moment, we're giving the new antibiotics and the ivermectin a week to work (and we'll be spritzing her skin with lotion 2x daily as well) - if we're not seeing any improvement, we'll have to start seriously considering whether she really has any quality of life left... Rochelle (rochelle@art.fss.buffalo.edu) --------------------End of Adrenal List #35-----------------------