From: Lynn McIntosh [faiml@uswest.net]
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Subject: FAIML #382; February 2, 2000

Ferret Adrenal/Insulinoma Mailing List (FAIML) #382; February 2, 2000


1.  Farley
2.  hello I'm new
3.  melatonin for how long?
4.  Replies and a diet question
5.  drinking pee 
6.  Butterfly needles
7.  Re: FAIML #381; Jan. 30, 2000 (Weight Loss-Patch)
8.  Re: FAIML #381; Jan. 30, 2000 (surgery for five-year-old)
9.  adrenal surgery for 5 year old
10. pediapred vs. prednisone
11. Questions on Lupron 
12. Mitotane
13. Several replies
14. Addition to previous post...
15. BIG's middle name for sale


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1.  Farley
From:  Gayle Ritzert <mrsritz@coast.net>
Date sent:  Tue, 1 Feb 2000 10:55:21 -0500

Thank you all for the letters of encouragement.  I feel so much better.  Farley is 
scheduled for surgery on February 11.  He will continue his antibiotics until 
surgery for his prostate problems. My veterinarian recommended about 1 inch 
of Laxatone every other day to prevent hairballs, Farley also had small blood 
blisters between his shoulders.  My veterinarian said they were self-inflicted 
from scratching due to itchiness, another sign of adrenal disease.  Gayle  


2.  hello I'm new
From:  Martha Sprague <msprague98@yahoo.com>
Date sent:  Tue, 1 Feb 2000 16:49:04 -0800 (PST)

Hi everyone.  I just joined this list today & am really hoping to learn a lot.  I 
have 2 ferrets--Spaz & Taz.  Spaz was diagnosed with insulinoma this 
December, but has been showing signs since last August (we had an twit for a 
vet that said he's diabetic & to feed him as much sugar as we could every day).  
At Christmas we went back home (Texas) & took him to his usual vet & she 
diagnosed insulinoma & put him on pediapred.  We recently moved to 
Oklahoma & have been going nuts trying to find a good ferret vet.  We finally 
found one last week about an hour away & are thrilled!  I wanted to ask if 
anyone knew of a good ferret vet in Oklahoma or Southern Kansas?  We want 
to know more than one in case we have to get a second opinion.  Spaz is doing 
better--gaining weight and his glucose has gone up to 68 (54 in December).  
He's on duck soup (Gerber chicken, a/d, mushed ferret food, brewers yeast, 
and enzymes)--what do you guys think? I'm undecided about the enzymes.  He 
won't eat on his own, but the pediapred sure has helped his appetite! The new 
vet is hoping to get his glucose up to the low 80's and do surgery on him (take 
part of the pancreas out).  Is this what is generally done (he's 5.5 years old)? 
I'm trying to learn as much as I can as fast as I can, know what I mean?  

Thanks in advance,
Martha, Spaz & Taz


3.  melatonin for how long?
From:  "Adrienne Doucette" <littledouce@hotmail.com>
Date sent:  Mon, 31 Jan 2000 10:05:37 EST

Hi everyone, I have a 5 1/2 year old female who started showing signs of 
adrenal disease when she was 2 1/2 years old.  For many reasons we didn't 
operate but instead treated her with lysodren.  She responded fairly well 
over the years, she even went in to remission this past spring for a few 
months.  Her major symptoms were the hair loss, swollen vulva and 
aggressiveness towards others.  Now shes almost completley bald and about a
month ago I started her on melatonin (1Mg) daily.  She started growing hair in
about three weeks...A truly amazing sight after you seen your ferret go totally
bald.

Any way what I don't know is how long do I keep her on the melatonin, Is 
this going to be daily for life or is it a seasonal thing.  Any additional info
will be helpful,

Thanks for any info Adrienne


4.  Replies and a diet question
From:  Christine Bertch <moogirl@mindspring.com>
Date sent: Sat, 29 Jan 2000 22:46:19 -0800

        First, I agree with giving Ferretone instead of Ferretvite with the
pred--it's much less sugary.  I even tried giving my Missy pred in Ferretone. 
She almost went for it, but pred doesn't mix very well so she just has to have
her treat after her pred.  With my insulinoma boy Benji, I just put it in his
food (duck soup) and he doesn't know the difference.
        Regarding the loss of a cagemate, I think it depends on the ferret. When
Benji lost his friend Rikki, he looked around for her but I brought someone new
in quickly so it didn't seem like he dwelled on it.  If you can't find another
ferret to keep his mind off of his lost friend, then I, too, think it's very
important just to give them lots of love and attention.
        Now I have one question.  Benji has been diagnosed with insulinoma
for about six months now and he's on .3cc's of pred 2x daily.  He only eats his
special soup so he has gained a little too much weight.  Should I try to
decrease his feedings any or change the soup?  I currently feed him 30cc's 4x
daily.  The soup is a mix of a/d (probably the most calories--the one I may want
to cut back on), canned feline development, canned 8-1 ferret food, chicken 
baby food, a small amount of Nutri-Cal, Brewer's Yeast, and water. I'm 
guessing that (in trying to make sure he is getting all the nutrients he needs) I am 
just putting too many calories in.  Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated!

Christine,
Benjamin, and Missy


5.  drinking pee 
From:  "Debbie Magerr" <debbiem@parabx.com>
Date sent:  Mon, 31 Jan 2000 16:28:33 -0800

I remember reading about ferrets drinking their pee, but I don't remember
what the replies were. I noticed Sid doing this alot lately. Should I be
concerned? He went to the vet awhile ago because he limps, xrays showed a
very large spleen, but everything else seemed ok (heart, glucose etc..)

ps. when Sid lost his cagemate, I just gave him x-tra attention & he seemed to
do fine. My thoughts to all who lost their fuzzies! sooo sad they have all these
terrible problems!

Debbie & Sid (missing Punky & Nancy)


6.  Butterfly needles
From:  Linda.Doran@att.net
Date sent:  Wed, 02 Feb 2000 01:57:50 +0000

Does anyone here know where I may order butterfly 
needles for sub-Q fluid injection in ferrets? My vet 
charged me $1 each for 10 of these needles today -- that 
seems excessive to me. Is that a normal cost for these?


7.  Re: FAIML #381; Jan. 30, 2000 (Weight Loss- Patch)
From:  WGHOL@aol.com
Date sent: Mon, 31 Jan 2000 18:25:08 EST

In a message dated 1/30/00 8:47:54 PM Pacific Standard Time, 
faiml@uswest.net
writes:

<< Seems to be still eating, (no
 weight loss) and his stools seem ok.  Doing alot of "lip smacking, gum
 chewing" behavior.  >>

Sorry if you've been through this already, but has Patch been checked for 
Ulcers or Gastritis? What is the nausea medication he's getting? How are the 
stools? Sometimes a foreign body can duplicate ulcer conditions, has Patch 
been on any antibiotic medication or steroids for broad-spectrum infection?  

Try not to worry, we'll figure it out...

Wendi


8.  Re: FAIML #381; Jan. 30, 2000 (surgery for five-year-old)
From:   WGHOL@aol.com
Date:  Mon, 31 Jan 2000 18:43:38 EST

<<   Do you think that it 
 is worthwhile for him to have surgery at his age?  I was taking with another
 ferret owner who says that local breeders don't recommend surgery for 5 year
 olds because it only gives them a few more months.   >>

You've definitely been given some "misleading" information here. Ferrets who 
have adrenal surgery can live a full and happy life, without complications. 
Depending upon the overall health of the ferret (you'll need a full work up before 
surgery), and your Vet's experience, it is usually the preferred method of adrenal 
disease treatment. My girl had her adrenal surgery, and survived for three years 
afterwards, dying of non-related liver disease just this past August.  

If you are concerned that his health may be jeopardized, you can opt for 
medical treatment, including the use of Lupron to shrink the tumor and restrict 
the adrenal overproduction of hormones. It may also help his urinary difficulties 
at this point... Dr. Weiss (a notable ferret vet) is using a new treatment of 
freezing the tumor with a much less invasive surgical procedure. Adrenal disease 
has made great advances in the past few years, there's now no excuse not to 
proceed with treatment.  Ferrets can live happy lives and get back to "normal" in 
no time at all. If you'd like more info, please feel free to write, I've had some 
experience with my own and AD., as well as knowing lots of other adrenal 
babies with great success stories.  

Keep me posted,
Wendi


9.  adrenal surgery for 5 year old
From:  Moxie <moxieent@tiac.net>
Date sent: Mon, 31 Jan 2000 09:45:51 -0500

Hi Gayle,

Definitely worth having the surgery.  Two of my male ferrets had it at
age 5.  One lived to 6.5 and died of kidney failure, and the other lived
to 7.5 and died of same disease.  Both grew their hair back, although
the7.5 year old later lost it and had problems with bladder infections.
He once blocked and had to be caterized by my vet, but the adrenal
surgery definitely added quality time.  In fact, the older one had his
spleen removed at age 6.5.  Ferrets bounce back pretty good from
surgery, provided it isn't invasive.  Good luck with your guy.

Moxie and Chance

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10.  pediapred vs. prednisone
From:  Dave Burket <dburket@epix.net>
Date sent:  Mon, 31 Jan 2000 05:34:32 -0500

Also pediapred does NOT contain alcohol, whereas prednisone and 
prednisolone DO.  Pamela <http://www.geocities.com/my_ferrets/>  


11.  Questions on Lupron 
From:  "Lisa Little" <tiar73@earthlink.net>
Date sent: Mon, 31 Jan 2000 11:20:36 -0500

.>>  The jury is still out on some of these drugs, Lupron is one also, but some 
believe these only target the brain thus causing "better behavior", some drugs 
may cause "hair regrowth" and these may convince the owner the ferret is 
improving...in reality, the tumor may be spreading and becoming more deadly 
every day<<  

Hi all,

Well Trish posted this and now I'm in a panic because I had decided to have 
that shot done on my 5 year old next week. Gabby has been diagnosed adrenal 
and my vet Dr. Sharon Marx of StateCollege PA reccommended that she's a 
little old and her health may be a bit unstable for her to survive surgery. Gabby 
just got over a serious bladder infection her blood tests showed possible liver 
damage at the time but another one is being done this week to see if it was the 
infection causeing these results. I researched my vet out after using others in the 
area and have found her very knowlegable about ferrets and very skilled at 
surgeries on them she does them weekly. I also know that she attends talks on 
new ferret breakthroughs in medicine and is always discussing my options in a 
through manner. So I trust her when she suggests Lupron for Gabby over 
surgery. and when I researched the meds out on the web it sounded ok... not as 
good as surgery but the next best thing.  I guess I want feedback on people who 
have had this shot done, what the results were and how long it lasted. I'm told 4 
to 5 months is the time I can expect the shot to help. Trish if you have time to 
post to I would be very interested in reading info on people who feel the shot is 
just working on the brain. Is there a site that has this information? Is it from a 
vet. I know vets aren't gods and they can be wrong too but alot of them work 
damn hard at what they do. I just want to hear from people who have used the 
shot especially ones that did it more then 6 months ago.Thanks alot.:) Lisa and 
her 9 weasel bears  


12.  Mitotane
From:  WGHOL@aol.com
Date sent:  Mon, 31 Jan 2000 19:24:42 EST
 
In a message dated 1/30/00 8:47:54 PM Pacific Standard Time,  
Ferrets1st@aol.com writes:

<< Mitotane (aka: Lysodren) works to actually shrink the adrenal
 tumor, often preventing it from becoming cancerous.  I highly recommend it.
  >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Dr. K. Rosenthal DVM writes in her book about Mitotane:

"In my experience, mitotane treatment does not reliably produce resolution of
clinical signs in ferrets with adrenocortical tumors; moreover, if clinical
signs do resolve, they typically recur when mitotane is discontinued. Be careful
when administering mitotane and in warning owners of potential side effects
associated with the drug.  The primary danger associated with mitotane
administration in ferrets is the possible development of severe hypoglycemia
after several days of therapy in animals with concurrent insulinoma... Mitotane
treatment, although not curative, may be palliative and therefore useful in
certain instances.  ...treatment of older ferrets that are poor surgical
candidates..."

I am of the understanding that Mitotane works to destroy the adrenal gland
itself, (thus the tumor), anyone else have any info on this?

>>>>>>>>>Lupron is 
one also, but some believe these only target the brain thus causing "better
behaviour", some drugs may cause "hair regrowth" and these may convince the
owner the ferret is improving...>>>>>>>>>>

As a person who has seen great success with Lupron in working to shrink 
adrenal tumors, I would prefer this medication over the use of Mitotane, if only
for the fact that it leaves the adrenal gland in a working state.  

These are just some personal insights, and I pray every day that extensive
research on adrenal disease causes will provide us with a no fuss "cure" if not
a preventative...

W


13.  Several replies
From:   Ferrets1st@aol.com
Date sent:  Mon, 31 Jan 2000 15:27:59 EST

>>
From: Kim Cierpik <cierpik@belanna.colorado.edu>
Khobi…. has a couple spots on her neck and back that look like blood-blister. 
 She has recently stopped eating and is sleeping a lot…. like to know if any of
your adrenal babies have had these spots, or stools that are grainy.  >>

Blood blisters may be topical cycts or cysts/tumors of artery walls (small
veins/arteries serve the skin as well) or may be of some other origin.  Consult
your vet.  Grainy stools may well be indicative of ece.  Would not consider
surgery until poops are normal for few weeks.  Try mixing her normal food with
water to soften, offer warm with dropper as a "soup".

>>
From:  dagger4u@home.com
Well, Patch is sick again… What should I do??
>>

Sure sounds like Insulinoma, though could be ulcers, or hairball irritating
stomach.  Amoxicillin twice daily for one month has been an effective treatment
for ulcers.  Ask you vet if s/he concurs and will prescribe, or recheck glucose,
or both.  In some cases, ferrets with ulcers show improvement after only 3 to 5
days on Amoxi.  Will also help prevent secondary infection if something else is
going on.  I am not a vet, so do consult yours, but I do have much experience
with sick ferrets and various problems.

>>
From:  "Donald Dittman" <ddittman@csonline.net>
If you are having a lot of problems with your insulinomic ferret try 
extra love and cuddling even if they want left alone. It can't hurt. Laurel  >>

Great work with Molly Ann.  Showing extra attention to sick fuzzies can make 
an
incredible difference, it can even save a life.  Check out my website
www.ferretsfirst.com, at the top of the main page click ferret care, then on the
left margin, click on sick ferrets.  That will take you to an article that goes
into great detail on caring for sick ferrets, though it would be hard to cover
everything in such a short article.

>>>
From:   Gayle Ritzert mrsritz@coast.net
My five year old neutered male ferret was diagnosed last week with an adrenal
tumor… >>>

Whether or not your ferret is a good surgical candidate should be determined by
a ferret-knowledgeable vet (not a breeder).  I have had surgeries done on 5 year
olds and older, recently a surgery on a 6 year old to remove significantly
enlarged spleen that was creating other problems, insulinomas, and cysts on
liver.  If we expected to only get "a few months" as a result, we'd have never
done the surgery because it isn't fair for a kid to spend his remaining few
months recouperating.  We are hoping for years.  Where prostrate has enlarged
(usually caused by the adrenal tumor) they are more difficult to manage, but
there are drugs that may help if for some reason surgery isn't an option for
him.  Suggest you read article on Adrenal/Insulinoma in March/April 2000 issue
of Ferrets magazine…will answer many, many questions you may have.

>>>
From:  Julie Fossa <julie_fossa@yahoo.com>
>>>

Julie, I am so sorry.  I was really rooting for that boy.  He put up a good
fight.  PLEASE send me necropsy results!  Remember…the most important 
thing…Solo
knew he was loved.

>>>
Jerry Murray wrote:
I was surprised to read that your ferret is being put on
mitotane (Lysodren). Lysodren destroys the cortisol producing
cells in the adrenal gland, but in ferrets cortisol is not being
overproduced. Remember it is the sex hormones (i.e., estrogens,
progesterones, and testosterone) and the androgens (i.e.. DHEA,
and Andro.) that are being overproduced by the ferret adrenal 
glands. Lupron depot (leuprolide acetate) would be a better choice….
If she also has an insulinoma then Lysodren will lower glucose levels,
and she will need Pred to raise glucose levels.
>>>

Considering the number of studies currently underway on the relatively new
application of leuprolide acetate for use in ferrets, I am surprised that you
assume it would be a better choice.  There is obviously a lot to be learned
still about this drug's affect on adrenal disease in ferrets.  In some ferrets
it may be an appropriate option, however, as Dr. Kendrick points out in his
article addressing adrenal disease and insulinoma, "treatment of ferrets with
adrenal disease and insulinoma, or a combination of both conditions must be
patterned to the individual patient".

Personally, I have seen significant results in using Lysodren to manage 
inoperable adrenal tumors.  I have used it for many years and on a number of 
ferrets.  I have had several shelter ferrets operated on for adrenal tumors, right 
side, debulked, not removed entirely, then put on Lysodren.  One particular 
ferret, six months later, underwent surgery again for another reason, the 
previously debulked adrenal tumor was examined and was found to be half the 
size it was when the ferret was closed up after the initial surgery.  Her hair had 
regrown and her behavior had also returned to normal.  She lived for another 3 
years happily, and relatively healthy on Lysodren.  Dozens of other ferrets that 
have been through the shelter have been on Lysodren to manage inoperable 
adrenal tumors, and only perhaps ten percent showed any problem with the 
drug, and that was a bit of nausea, decreasing the dosage solved the problem.  
Only one ferret wasn't helped by Lysodren and died within one month of 
arriving at the shelter, she was simply too far advanced by the time she came 
here and had likely had the tumor for years.  All others have shown 
improvement with the drug.  Regardless of what textbooks say the drug actually 
does as far as cortisol levels and sex hormone output, it obviously has some 
effect on tumors, otherwise symptoms would not subside and tumors would not 
shrink. It seems vitally important to me that the spread/growth of tumors be 
stopped because of the high incidence of untreated adrenal tumors metastasizing 
and creating greater problems, and/or becoming adenocarcinomas.  

As far as Lysodren lowering blood glucose levels, it would seem that a ferret
who had insulinoma should be on Pediapred to manage that condition to begin
with.  Blood tests before surgeries, in my understanding, are a prerequisite for
surgery on ferrets, regardless of their medical history.

I am managing several cases at present, of ferrets who have both diseases.  They
are on Lysodren and Pediapred together, as prescribed by Dr. Kendrick.  Their
conditions are monitored and they are no less "stable" than those being treated
for insulinoma alone (using Pediapred, without Lysodren).

>>>
From:  Amy Claire Dempsey <bioimpact@islands.vi>
Jack is getting better by the day.  Of course, he has already popped a
stitch and won't take his antibiotics.  He will eat small portions of
"duck soup" off a spoon
>>>

It is vitally important that Jack get his antibiotic.  Try mixing with larger
portions of "soup" or if Jack will take A/D as a soup it does a better job of
masking the taste of medicines.  You might want to switch to feeding him out of
a large dropper, ferrets almost always consume more this way.  They are
available in pharmacies for administering meds to children, usually available in
5cc's.  If all else fails a compounding pharmacist will be able to "flavor" the
Amoxi differently…it's not uncommon for ferrets to object to sweet things like
the Amoxi.  Compounding pharmacists can flavor anything to taste like
anything...chicken, tuna, liver, bubblegum, root beer, peanut butter, 
banana…and
the latest thing is "pounce" flavored Metronidazole (keep your fingers crossed
folks, so far it's working).

Kisses to all the fuzzies,
Trish
Director, Ferrets First Rescue & Shelter


14.  Addition to previous post...
From:  Ferrets1st@aol.com
Date sent:  Tue, 1 Feb 2000 10:05:32 EST

I forgot to mention one important point about the little girl operated on 
twice, her tumor remarkably reduced between surgeries while on Lysodren.... 
The
portion of the adrenal tumor removed during the initial surgery was, of course,
sent to a lab for biopsy.  Results were the tumor was cancerous.  If Lysodren
can keep a little girl with cancer going for three years..bouncy and happy as
she was, I'd have to say the drug has some merit.  There is much controversy
over Lysodren, and I have yet to understand why.  All drugs have some "down
side", you simply have to learn what they are and watch for them and 
compensate
if necessary.

Trish
Director, Ferrets First Rescue & Shelter


15.  BIG's middle name for sale
From:  Linda Iroff <linda.iroff@oberlin.edu>
Date sent:  Tue, 01 Feb 2000 08:16:09 -0500

Buy Bill Gruber's Middle Name! Win Valuable Prizes!

For a limited time only (until Feb 5, 2000) you too can know Bill (BIG) 
Gruber's mysterious middle name. BIG is the moderator of the Ferret Mailing 
List and his middle name is one of the most closely guarded secrets on the 
internet. I assure you that you will be surprised and shocked.  

To find out his name, send a donation in any amount to the FML Support Our 
Shelters fund. Checks to S.O.S. should be made out to:  

    Judith White, dba Support Our Shelters
and mailed to:
    Judith White
    1236 Belfield Avenue
    Drexel Hill, PA 19026-4211

As soon as you have put the check in the mail, email me at 
Linda.Iroff@oberlin.edu and I will email you his middle name. You must have 
your check in the mail by Feb 5. You must agree not to divulge this name to 
others to protect its value.  

The person who makes the largest donation will win a $25 gift certificate to The 
Ferret Store! In the case of a tie, Judith will place the names in a sleep sack and 
pull out the winning name. She promises not to peek. (You may request to 
remain anonymous, just include a note with your check.)  

BIG himself is also offering a prize, and there will be ferret afghans and
soaps awarded at random.

Remember this is a limited time offer, so send your check by Feb 5. If you
forget to send the check, or if you reveal the name to others, FLO agents
are standing by to invade your home, destroy your sofa, poop on your
carpets and steal your keys. They may be there already!!

Linda Iroff
Oberlin OH
Linda.Iroff@oberlin.edu


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