From: Lynn McIntosh [faiml@uswest.net] Sent: Friday, February 04, 2000 12:03 AM To: FAIMLanon; FAIML Cc: faiml@miamiferret.org Subject: FAIML #383; Feb. 3, 2000 Ferret Adrenal/Insulinoma Mailing List (FAIML) #383, Feb. 3, 2000 1. Jack 2. Skin irritation 3. New insulinoma - question 4. drinking pee 5. 3d Lupron shot, no success 6. Lupron Info 7. lysodren/lupron dilemma 8. Replies: FAIML #382; February 2, 2000 9. When cagemate passes on 10. Several replies 11. Subject: Ferret Needing Home The FERRET ADRENAL/INSULINOMA MAILING LIST (FAIML) is a group that's come together to share support and information about adrenal and insulinoma diseases. FAIML comes out in digest format three to six times per week, depending on the number of posts sent, and their surgency. FAIML information is the opinion, only, of subscribers, mostly ferret caretakers. It is not medical advice, comes with no guarantee of accuracy, and is not meant to replace the examination and medical oversight of a qualified veterinarian. If your ferret is sick or exhibiting signs of illness take your fur kid to the most ferret- experienced vet you can find! A ferret- experienced vet is one of the most important services you can provide to your ferret. TO POST: Write POST at the end of your subject heading (the more specific you can be in your subject heading, the better) and send to . URGENT POSTS: If you feel the message is urgent please mark it POST URGENT and I'll send it out to subscribers as soon as I can, then include the message in the next list. CALIFORNIA RESIDENTS: Please write POST ANONYMOUS after your subject heading if you don't want your address or last name published. SUBSCRIBE/UNSUBSCRIBE: Just use the one address for posts, subscription questions, requests, cancellations, comments, etc. The list is run by hand so just send me an email. ADRENAL/INSULINOMA WEBSITE: FAIML ARCHIVES/PHOTOS: Past FAIMLs are being archived, with a search feature, on Michael Janke's adrenal/insulinoma web site: . Michael is also kindly posting pictures of FAIML subscribers and the ferrets at this site in the FAIML Album. Check out his site for more info. PAM GREENE's FERRET FAQs: I suggest people read (and reread) Pamela Greene's Disease FAQ's on Insulin and Adrenal diseases, as they offer a good background. I forward them to all new subscribers, and will gladly send them upon request. I also send the "Disease Package", a file that tells how to get all six of Pamela Greene's FAQs on ferret diseases. Pam also has excellent FAQ's about general ferret care as well, and a link to these may be found on the FERRET CENTRAL web site: . THE FERRET MAILING LIST (FML): The FML has 3,000+ ferret-loving subscribers and the topic is simply ferrets, ferrets, and more ferrets. Moderated by Mr. Bill Gruber, it's a great source of ferret entertainment and information. Visit FERRET CENTRAL on the web (see paragraph above) for more info on the FML. To subscribe to the FML, send email to its moderator, Bill Gruber, at and ask to be added. You can also try subscribing automatically by sending email to with the command SUBSCRIBE FERRET in the body of the email. 1. Jack From: Amy Claire Dempsey Date sent: Thu, 03 Feb 2000 16:21:34 -0400 Just a note to let everyone know that Jack is doing wonderful. I am letting him spend a little down time with his brothers and sisters. He's growing fur back on his belly already, now if we can just hope for the hair to start coming back on his rump and tail. It really doesn't matter if it takes a long time, I am just so happy he's recovering so well. I think he's a very very handsome boy! Amy and her 5 fur snakes and 13 fur angels. 2. Skin irritation From: Stacy & Colette Holbrook Date sent: Thu, 03 Feb 2000 12:12:01 -0500 Hi, I received your email address off the AFA board, I have a 6 year old ferret that has adrenal cancer, she keeps on scratching at her bald spot on her back. She has done this so hard there are red marks on her back. Do you suggest anything I can put on back to help her back heal from all the scratching? Could you also put me on the adrenal/insulinoma list for any anwsers. Thank you for your time. Colette 3. New insulinoma - question From: "Sue Stout" Date sent: Wed, 2 Feb 2000 20:01:11 -0600 Hi, My name is Sue . I am new to this list and I am proud to say I am owned by 6 ferrets! One of my oldest (4years 4 months old) was recently diagnosed with insulinoma. He was put on prednisolone (which by the way, contains NO alcohol) He takes 1/4 of a 5 mg. tablet each day. Also, I feed him Hills AD 4 times a day. He is now eating his regular food also. We are still having our ups and downs..I can tell when the sugar is low by the way he acts. He is still losing weight even though he is eating. (He is my heaviest ferret and can stand to lose some weight). He seems to have more energy now and even is playing again. That is while in the "up cycle". My question is this: Does anyone know what would cause the bottom of his feet to go "white"? The bottom of his feet will go really white when he is in his "down cycle". When I pick him up, his feet pink up without applying any warmth. Is this normal with insulinoma? Any ideas or suggestions would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Sue 4. drinking pee From: Jason Neuman Date sent: Thu, 03 Feb 2000 12:27:23 -0500 Hi, Hobbes had his double adrenal surgery last May and has recovered nicely with no medications necessary (thank goodness) but if he urinates on the vinyl floor he always turns and drinks it! We asked the vet but he dismissed it as no big deal. The vet said that when he urinates he turns around and drinks it the same as he would water or any other liquid he might find. I just don't know though - I think it must be a sign of something! Advice would be great! Thanks - hugs to all the fuzzies and BIG hugs to all those missing fuzzies! Nikki & HOBBES 5. 3d Lupron shot, no success From: "The Ferret Aid Society" Date sent: Wed, 2 Feb 2000 12:31:41 -0500 Saigon has just had his 3d shot of 200 mcg and has still shown no improvement. Any ideas???? The Ferret Aid Society "For the love of our Fuzzy Friends" http://www.ferretaid.org http://www.igive.com/html/ssi.cfm?cid=1383&mid=43897 Use your mouse to raise funds for the shelter at no cost to you! Click here!! 6. Lupron Info From: Linda Knights Date sent: Wed, 02 Feb 2000 14:14:05 -0800 Lupron info - I'm not a vet but I've had a couple of my boys on this shot for over a year now. Raven had 1 shot (he was COMPLETELY bald!) and regrew his whole coat. Never needed another injection. Wolf gets injections about every 4-6 weeks and has regrown about 2/3rds of his coat. Nickie gets an injetion every 2 months and has regrown all his hair (scanty coat but he's covered). As far as "working on the brain" - the medical literature (human use) surely wouldn't indicate that it does so. And I don't know, from a logic point of view, how "working on the brain" could regrow a coat of hair. All three boys have improved muscle tone, improved appetite and are acting their old selves. Linda K (and 14 fuzzy little friends) 7. lysodren/lupron dilemma From: "Debi & David Christy" Date sent: Wed, 2 Feb 2000 11:04:12 -0600 Just a couple of references cut and pasted from web sites: "Dr. Ruth Adams D.V.M.: Because of the increased risk it is sometimes not advisable, nor possible to remove this right gland entirely. In cases where surgery is unsuccessful or not elected, treatment with the drug lysodren may be helpful for a time in reducing symptoms of these tumors." "Written by Dr. Bruce Williams, DVM: In cases in which surgical excision of the offending adrenal gland is not an option, medical treatment with certain drugs that kill off a large portion of the cells of the adrenal cortex may be tried. Unfortunately, this medication is not specific for estrogen-secreting cells, and affect all of the other cortical cells as well. For this reason, this form of treatment should be reserved only for those animals who are poor surgical candidates." >From the resources I have read, I have understood that surgery is always the preferred treatment, but with "poor surgical candidates" (and here the reasons seem to vary: age, which is usually also qualified with general physical condition... as in not all 7-year-olds are weak and frail, and other concurrent medical complications) drugs should be used as a second choice. Also from resources available on the web concerning Lupron is the underlying consensus that all this is fairly new and ongoing research. And a lot of this research is canine/feline inclusive... and as some of you may have experienced as I did... adrenal tumors in ferrets is Cushing's Disease in dogs & cats (my previous vet misdiagnosed two of my boys, Thank you Trish for saving my kids)... Ferrets are not dogs or cats. There's apparently still a lot of research to be done here and there does not yet seem to be any conclusive answers. We should perhaps, bear in mind the one thing that all researchers agree on: all cases are individual, only the identical aspects of each can be compared. (ie. You can't compare apples & oranges.) What works well in one instance may not work at all in another. That's probably because there may still be factors involved that have not yet been isolated and identified that lets lysodren "cure", even tho it is intended to target cortisol rather than estrogen production. And not all instances have been in research labs... some have been just a vet who did a surgery, prescribed lysodren, did a later surgery, & found the tumor to be less than what he'd left the first time, an honest observation of an honest man. No panel of expert witnesses, no scientific "control specimen/group", no hoopla, just a genuinely concerned vet trying to share a positive result that might help others with no other hope. The researchers weren't there to add to or subtract from their statistics...which is what it takes to say that a research is conclusive. I personally have two almost 7-year-olds scheduled for adrenal surgery within the next couple of months. The only reason for even a delay of that length is to allow them time to "completely" recover from the ECE they contracted in November. Conversely, I recently fostered a 6-year insulinoma girl that I would not dream of subjecting to surgery due to her frailty. I also have a 5 year old with an inoperable adrenal. He is on lysodren... and Pediapred... and stable. So far, it's working. He acts like he feels better, his coat is regrowing in better condition, his quality of life has improved. I'm not a researcher, statistician, or a vet and I'm certainly not complaining, and not about to change his treatment until the "conclusive" results are in. Debi Christy 8. Replies: FAIML #382; February 2, 2000 From: Melissa Date sent: Wed, 2 Feb 2000 10:28:11 -0500 >2. hello I'm new >From: Martha Sprague >Date sent: Tue, 1 Feb 2000 16:49:04 -0800 (PST) Hi, welcome. In short, I think your new vet is right on the ball. Sounds like a good plan to me. >6. Butterfly needles >From: Linda.Doran@att.net >Date sent: Wed, 02 Feb 2000 01:57:50 +0000 > >Does anyone here know where I may order butterfly >needles for sub-Q fluid injection in ferrets? My vet >charged me $1 each for 10 of these needles today -- that >seems excessive to me. Is that a normal cost for these? Buterfly needles are expensive. If you're going to be doing this long term, ask your vet if you can get them wholesale through her/him if you buy a large quantity at a time. -Like a box or two. >11. Questions on Lupron >From: "Lisa Little" Date sent: Mon, 31 Jan 2000 11:20:36 -0500 > .> The jury is still out on some of these drugs, Lupron is one also, but some believe these only target the brain thus causing "better behavior", some drugs may cause "hair regrowth" and these may convince the owner the ferret is improving...in reality, the tumor may be spreading and becoming more deadly every day<< Hi all, Well Trish posted this and now I'm in a panic because I had decided to have that shot done on my 5 year old next week. Gabby has been diagnosed adrenal and my vet Dr. Sharon Marx of StateCollege PA reccommended that she's a little old and her health may be a bit unstable for her to survive surgery..... ...I researched my vet out after using others in the area and have found her very knowlegable... ....and is always discussing my options in a through manner. So I trust her when she suggests Lupron for Gabby over surgery. and when I researched the meds out on the web it sounded ok.... ...... not as good as surgery but the next best thing. .... ...Is there a site that has this information? Is it from a vet. > Hi, Lupron is used to control the symptoms of adrenal disease when surgery isn't an option. Lupron is not a cure. Surgery is usually curative (but not always). It sounds like you have a good vet and like you have confidence in her. 5 yrs old is not too old for surgery but you mentioned that your vet didn't think your ferret's overall health was strong enough for surgery. If Lupron helps your ferret maybe it can become strong enough to withstand surgery a little later. Dr. Weiss has lots of Lupron info up on the web and is very "visible" so most internet ferret people consider him to be an expert on the subject. Bear in mind though that this is one vet's experience. Take his experiences into consideration but look for other sources of information as well. -Melissa __________________________________ http://members.aol.com/NYCFerrets http://home.att.net/~The_Ferrets __________________________________ 9. When cagemate passes on From: Moxie Date sent: Wed, 02 Feb 2000 10:30:35 -0500 Hi, I forgot to mention when a buddy passes on, if possible, it is a good idea to let the surviving ferret smell and check out the deceased buddy. That is what I did with Slinky when his cagemate died in his sleep of heart failure. I let all the remaining ferrets check him out. Slinky sniffed him for a few minutes and then moved on to play with the others. Maybe they know that the buddy is gone and won't continue to look for him afterwards. It is worth a try. So sorry to hear of the many losses on this list, and let us hope that innovative vets like Dr. Weiss continue to make progress in treating these diseases. Regards, Moxie and Chance 10. Several replies From: Ferrets1st@aol.com Date sent: Thu, 3 Feb 2000 13:50:45 EST >>From: Martha Sprague (we had an twit for a vet that said he's diabetic & to feed him as much sugar as we could every day). >> Technically, or that is, according to the books, low blood sugar (hypoglycemia) is a type of diabetes, so he was correct in that light, but most ferret- knowledgeable vets would have used a different term (Insulinoma), recommended surgery and/or prescribed Pediapred or other prednisone drug to treat his condition rather than just saying overload him with sugar to mask symptoms. Glad you found a more ferret-knowledgeable one for Spaz. As for your new OK vet, drop me contact info on him. Contact Shelley Knudsen of the LOSNE shelter and Troy Lynn in KS for suggestions on vets. (Visit www.ferretcentral.org for databases, etc.) If your ferrets are not on Iam's or Totally Ferret, get some. Many ferrets dislike the ferret foods readily available on petstore shelves which contain so much fish in them. If you are already feeding Iam's or TF, and he still won't eat it, offer Spaz ProPlan Cat Turkey and Barley (dry)…sometimes it's magic for ferrets who don't want to eat. However, it's only an interim food, there is better stuff for long term, but most important for Insulinoma kids is to get them eating…anything (that is, anything that doesn't contain a lot of sugar). ProPlan is a good "middle of the road" food, it isn't as poor quality as grocery store catfoods or even some so-called ferret foods, but it isn't quite as good for ferrets as Iam's. It's about equal to, if not better than Science Diet catfood. ProPlan probably has a little less corn than Science Diet but that's hard to prove by the labels, this info comes from inside the pet industry trade. (I run an aquarium maintenance business, therefore I get all the "trade" publications, talk to the manufacturers and their reps, and hear all the inside tips and tricks and miscellaneous information not readily available to the general public.) >>and enzymes)--what do you guys think? I'm undecided about the enzymes. >> I would need more info on the enzymes to make any guesses there. Were they prescribed by vet or just something someone else told you to try? You can email to me privately if you like on this so we don't burden Lynn with it. I consider 5.5 year olds to be "borderline" as far as insulinoma surgeries. Sometimes we will, sometimes we won't…depends upon ferret and history and current response to Pediapred. I prefer to manage with medicines at that age if possible, rather than surgery, but if they are not stable, and regardless of what I do, they remain "not stable" on Pediapred, then we discuss possible surgery. Sometimes surgery helps, sometimes it doesn't but the "school of thought" on insulinomas is, they always come back even if you do manage to remove all of them with the first surgery, the question is when will they come back…sometimes it's quick, sometimes it's not and you have "bought the ferrets" a considerable amount of time. Hopefully, your vet was upfront with you about that. Some ferrets go for years after an I-surgery, some don't. Veterinary medicine is not as black and white as we'd all like it to be, thus the reason for so many debates on treatments/drugs/etc.. There is no book with all the answers, there are people/vets who think they have all the answers, but those scare me to death. No one is an expert on ferrets. And I mean no one. The person who thinks they are an expert is the most dangerous of all. We all learn something new almost every single day if we stay on top of things and ask questions, I'll be the first to tell you, that I do. >>She says that she takes part of the pancreas out & the surgery takes 2 to 2.5 hours. That sounds like a long time to me & pretty invasive.>> YES. You are right. 2 to 2.5 hours is a very long time for an insulinoma surgery unless she is anticipating major complications…now, I am not a vet, so all I can tell you is this is longer than we've ever had done. Dr. Kendrick has completed adrenal surgeries in 30 minutes, some last 45 minutes to an hour, or slightly longer…depends on how attached the darn thing is, they do vary greatly. Some insulinomas are removed by "popping them open" like a pimple, if there's only one, it takes a minute or so to locate and pop it, if there are a zillion of them naturally it takes longer or you simply close and manage with drugs (last I- surgery, the boy had at least 40, we closed and didn't attempt to remove any cuz it was pointless, and would cause trauma to pancreas he didn't need). Removing a lobe of the pancreas would be a reasonable option if you knew for sure you'd be removing a great deal of the insulinomas…this vet *can't* know that until she actually looks at the pancreas. But maybe she was giving you scenarios of what could happen, rather than saying "this is what I am going to do". Some insulinomas are not as easy as popping pimples, some are tougher to remove, some are microscopic and can't even be seen. So who knows if you are getting them all even when you think you are getting them all. That is why I say I-surgeries are just buying time, not "curing" the ferret. Buying time is very important though, so do give careful consideration to your decision. Dr. Kendrick is in Arlington, Texas so it isn't out of the question for you to bring Spaz to him and get his opinion on his condition as to whether he is a good candidate for surgery or not, and discuss options for Spaz. He won't be offended if you do not choose him to do the surgery, that is up to you. He also has ultrasound, sometimes you can see insulinomas on ultrasounds (though not always when they are extremely small/microscopic) but the best thing about ultrasound, well, one of the best things is, when you have an older ferret, you can examine other internal organs via ultrasound before you open them up, if there are say.. significant liver or heart problems, you know, and you may opt to not do surgery because it would be too risky given the other problems. We use ultrasounds as much to rule out surgeries as to rule them in or isolate problems. Oh, and Dr. Kendrick has laser capabilities too, if that turns out to be an option. >>From: Christine Bertch The soup is a mix of a/d (probably the most calories- -the one I may want to cut back on), canned feline development, canned 8-1 ferret food, chicken baby food, a small amount of Nutri-Cal, Brewer's Yeast, and water. I'm guessing that (in trying to make sure he is getting all the nutrients he needs) I am just putting too many calories in. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated! >> Canned foods (except for A/D) contain so much moisture they offer little in the way of real nourishment. Canned foods also lead to tooth decay. I wouldn't use the 8-1 at all, for many reasons there isn't room to go into here. Canned feline development I don't know about, but likely it doesn't have the nutritional density ferrets need…would have to read that label to say more. You might want to check out the nutrition information on my site www.ferretsfirst.com. A/D has more vitamins and nutrients than any other canned food that I am aware of. There is no need to be concerned about decreasing it. You can greatly improve what your ferret is consuming and hopefully help him stabilize by mixing in soft (soak in water) Iam's Kitten Food (dry) or Totally Ferret. The difference in nutritional value with these foods vs. 8-1 is like night and day. Your boy need protein, animal protein. Iam's and TF provide that. I would decrease or eliminate the nutrical since it's sugary (bad for Insulinoma kids unless in a crisis). You may be surprised to find your ferret my like the dry food even by itself….ferrets here tell me it's pretty good stuff! If not, keep mixing it in his soup, and go and get the ProPlan discussed above in my other reply. >> From: "Lisa Little" Trish if you have time to post to I would be very interested in reading info on people who feel the shot is just working on the brain. Is there a site that has this information? Is it from a vet. I know vets aren't gods and they can be wrong too but alot of them work damn hard at what they do. >>> Exactly my point! You have to trust the ones who really make an effort to stay on top of things. If we, as ferret owners, are as educated as we can possibly be, then we can usually spot the BS, and can quickly weed out those vets who don't have real knowledge or experience. It sounds like you have chosen an excellent vet. Trust her judgment, but do not be afraid to ask questions. You might ask why Lupron instead of Lysodren, and you might take her a copy of the article Dr. Kendrick wrote on Adrenal Disease and Insulinoma and just get her thoughts on it. (Dr. Kendrick suggests Lysodren as a 'first step' in treating inoperable tumors.) One good question to ask, is how will she know if the tumor is affected by the drug? Will she go only by outward signs? Will she do an ultrasound (which can measure the size and compare before and after? Will she depend solely upon blood tests (last I heard they were not 100 percent accurate either)? There is not a site that I am aware of, though I admit I have almost no time for websurfing unless specifically needing something. The info about Lupron working on the brain, comes directly from my vets research on the drug. This was what he initially told me about it, and why he wouldn't recommend it except in cases where the behavioral changes in ferrets caused by adrenal tumors were a problem. Vets get reports and updates and journals we never have access to. Dr. Kendrick also is diligent in staying up on the latest in ferret medicine. Since that time he has seen changes in some of the "thinking" on the drug based upon new information that has come to light…as I said, Lupron is still undergoing several trials and tests on ferrets, though he hasn't come out and said the reports are saying now that it affects the tumor itself yet. I will not even begin to tell you that I personally know anything about Lupron except what he has told me, nor will I get into a debate over a drug the veterinary community is still learning about. I feel I have no basis to argue/debate from. I only share what I have seen work….and that is Lysodren. There are many "concoctions" out there that people use to "help" their adrenal kids, and because a certain soup restores hair, owners make the false assumption that the tumor is not growing/spreading and may even be shrinking or "in remission". That can be a very dangerous, false assumption. Ferrets can grow hair even with adrenal tumors that are going untreated. Masking symptoms helps no one. Lupron may affect adrenal tumors or it may only alter outward symptoms (behavioral, cosmetic, or otherwise), we just don't know yet, it's still too new a drug (as far as ferrets) to jump to any conclusions…in my opinion. Another important point that I just learned yesterday, when I point-blank asked Dr. Kendrick why vets are so afraid of Lysodren when it works so well for ferrets…apparently, Lysodren is considered by some to be a "dangerous drug" for dogs and cats because a slight miscalculation in dosage can kill them…THAT is why so many vets shy away from Lysodren….however, ferrets react much differently than dogs or cats, they tolerate the drug much better and so we are not faced with the same worries as we might with a dog or cat. I have NEVER had Lysodren kill a ferret, nor have I ever even heard of such a thing. Since most vets see far more dogs and cats than ferrets they extrapolate a great deal of their experience with those to ferrets, where in some cases that assumption is simply not accurate. Now I am sure this statement alone will start another entire line of debate …I do not wish to argue, only to share my experiences to help *ferrets* and help their owners get a more complete picture of ferret medicine. Take from my post what you like, disregard the rest. Lupron may well turn out to be effective in fighting adrenal tumors, but first we have to know how we will be able to know for sure. Thus, the reason for all the studies that are underway. Likely, it will take more time and monitoring results of ferrets on Lupron for at least another year or more, to know for sure. >>From: WGHOL@aol.com Dr. K. Rosenthal DVM writes in her book about Mitotane:..>> In my experience all of Dr. Rosenthal's statement concur with my experience in using Lysodren/Mitotane. Outward signs my not disappear…sometimes hair follicles die so hair does not regrow. If you discontinue mitotane, yes, likely the disease will progress, we have never had reason to discontinue the drug, they take it for life. There may be side effects which I have mentioned...nausea is the most common, but even that is not often present with the ferrets I have treated. As for insulinoma…yes, they must be more closely monitored, but all here with both conditions have stabilized quickly or not had episodes at all. She does say that mitotane may be useful in "treatment of treatment of older ferrets that are poor surgical candidates..." which is exactly my point and what I have said all along. As far as those concerns expressed by some on this list about possible exposure of hypoglycemia or Insulinoma by the use of Lysodren…well, um…if your ferret has Insulinoma but just hasn't shown outward signs yet, if Lysodren will reveal that condition for you…um…wouldn't you like to know as early as possible your kid has Insulinoma? Do not think that somehow Lysodren "causes" Insulinoma…it does not. It only makes the disease more evident in some cases, a good vet will know this and adjust treatment for both diseases accordingly. Blood test before a surgery are a must if a ferret is on Lysodren and highly recommended for ferrets on any other type of medication as well. We are back to the same old basic thing…if you have chosen a skilled and ferret- knowledgeable vet, all these things are taken care of, and you (as the owner of the ferret in question) do not even need to be worried about these things. >> As a person who has seen great success with Lupron in working to shrink adrenal tumors, I would prefer this medication over the use of Mitotane, if only for the fact that it leaves the adrenal gland in a working state. >> I have seen no evidence that ferrets here that are on or in years past who have been on Lysodren were left without a functioning adrenal gland. The tumor itself affects the gland immensely, Lysodren destroys tissues slowly, usually stopping the growth of the tumor if not shrinking it. Yes, it affects the adrenal function…obviously…but I do not believe it leaves the adrenal gland in a non- working state. I won't debate the details of the effect of different drugs on the different layers of the adrenal gland, or this type of tumor vs. that type of tumor, etc., it's way too complex an issue for this list, and frankly, I don't have time to spend as it seems futile. You prefer Lupron, I prefer Lysodren…let's agree to disagree and share if we feel the other could benefit from a tidbit of knowledge or information we have gained. I will always listen, then consider, then discuss pros and cons with my vets, then ultimately make a decision based upon all the information I have gathered…would assume you work the same way. I hope everyone will take my comments in the manner they are intended…as merely my thoughts and opinions based upon my years of experience with ferrets and with vets, intended to help, not to create debates or ruffle feathers. The only reason I am on these lists is to help the ferrets. Kisses to the fuzzies. Trish Director, Ferrets First Rescue & Shelter 11. Subject: Ferret Needing Home From: Lynn McIntosh Date sent: Thu, 03 Feb 2000 12:12:01 -0500 Hi there. I told someone I'd try and help them find a home for the little fur kid. I've posted this on the FML and received a couple replies but have more info now so am including here. The little gal is in Colorado Springs. Regarding the grey and black stripes your guess is as good as mine (the info came from the man I'm corresponding with about placing her)! She's living in an apartment where the roommate now has unfriendly dogs. Lynn Name: Mimi Age: 1.5 Years Old Color: Grey and Black striped with a little Brown Medical : No Known medical conditions She has had all of her shots She has also been Decented Temperment: Loving and mellow, She could get a little more frisky in a good enviroment. I don't know if she came from a pet store or not, the same with the double tatto. ----------------------- End of FAIML #383 -------------------------