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Subject: FAIML #445; July 12, 2000

Ferret Adrenal/Insulinoma Mailing List (FAIML) #445; July 12, 2000 

There are five messages in today's list:

Champ
Melatonin
yeast (again)
Tahitian Noni Juice
TAHITIAN NONI JUICE


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Champ
Date:  Wed, 12 Jul 2000 05:45:49 -0400
From:  "katharine" <shurcool@tdo.infi.netChamp

Well, Champ had his adrenal surgery yesterday (Tuesday).  Of course, it was 
the right one.  So, the cryo equipment was brought out and it was removed.  I 
had never thought it through but realized very quickly that there is no way to do 
a pathology when cryo is used.  There's nothing left to look at!  We just assume 
it is all removed so there will be no further problems (fingers crossed).  

He was quite pitiful looking when I picked him up.  Randy said he was milking it 
for all it was worth all day...see how pitiful I am!!  That's my Champ.  He's king 
of the household but is really a little wimp at heart <g>.  Got him to eat some 
soup last night.  I can't see any signs of any kibble being consumed.  Poops look 
just fine.  Of course, he chose last night to play "dead ferret" on me.  The 
evening after surgery is not the best time for them do to that.  I went to put a 
blanket over him and he refused to move, open his eyes, or respond in any way. 
 My heart stopped for a few seconds.  

The surgery lasted about 30-45 minutes, I believe.  Didn't really consciously 
notice the starting time.  It was fascinating to watch.  

He'll be spending the day at the vet today since I need to go to work. Please 
keep him in your thoughts for a speedy recovery.  

Katharine


Melatonin
Date:  Wed, 12 Jul 2000 23:27:13 -0400
From:  "Steve Fontneau" <fontneau@worldpath.net>

i have a 6 year old male, nueman, he`s a big blond boy. he was very sick last 
year with adrenal problems. he had surgery in june , 99. the right adrenal tumor 
was removed. he made a good recovery , but was still  nude and slept a lot. 
about 6 months later i put him on 1 mg. of melatonin every afternoon. 6 months 
later he started to grow hair! his energy level is back up, he`s playful again and 
has a great appetite. and it is so wonderful to see him with a full coat of hair, 
he`s beautiful and happy. the only change has been the melatonin. i think it 
works.  


yeast (again)
Date:  Tue, 11 Jul 2000 08:58:12 -0700
From:  "Glenn Johnson" <johno@ctaz.com>

Ferret Friends,

I probably caused confusion in my yeast post by saying "lowers blood sugar 
levels after eating", which should have read helps prevent a rise in BS after 
eating. We give high protein foods to insulinomic ferrets to cause a rise in BS.  

My insulinomic Chuki was on yeast supplement for a short time. After a post, to 
this board, by Jerry Murray DVM, advising against the use of yeast, Chuki's 
yeast was discontinued. Chuki's daily active time has been recorded since he 
had pancreas surgery, a year and a half ago. An undeniable, measurable  
increase in his activity was the immediate result of discontinuing the yeast. That 
was posted here, showing active time for his last eight days on yeast, and for the 
eight following days which were, without fail, 10 percent (or more )  higher. Dr. 
Murray is considered an expert in ferret care. Dr Karen Purcell, who also posts 
occasionally to the FAIML, advocated the use of yeast in her book "Ferrets, a 
Guide for the Practitioner", but has since, in a post to the FAIML, reversed her 
stance.  

Not long ago, partial pancreatectomies were unheard of, as was Lupron for 
ferrets, as was cryosurgery for ferrets. For many vets, they are still unheard of.  
Things change.  

Bless the Ferrets

Glenn and Chuki


Tahitian Noni Juice
Date:  Tue, 11 Jul 2000 09:01:38 -0400
From:  "Thomas Osburn" <tosburn@bellsouth.net>

Amanda:

I have been using this supplement for a about a year now.  About 4 years ago, I 
adopted a red-eyed white from the shelter with a rat tail.  She had this tail for 
years after.  Approx. a year ago a friend introduced me to Noni juice, she had 
been giving it to her ferrets.  After a few months, this albino grew a magnificent 
bushy tail.  I had been doing nothing different except adding Noni juice to their 
ferret soup I make. I only use it as a dietary supplement. It is very expensive, 
but my babies are worth every penny.  My snowball is 7 years old and had 
ECE very bad before leaving the shelter back in 1996.  This debilitating disease 
left her very weak in the hind quarters. I feel the Noni has helped her through 
her older years giving a little relief.  I have six other geriatric ferrets, all rescues 
from various places, and two others at 5 and 6 years old have also never been 
sick.  Any other questions, please e-mail me and I will be glad to answer.  

Mary Osburn
Member of Broward Ferret Rescue and Referral


TAHITIAN NONI JUICE
Date:  Tue, 11 Jul 2000 22:49:46 -0700
From:  "STEPHANIE GRANT" <SCARLETTOFERRET@HOME.COM>

Amanda,

Hi, I had used Tahitian Noni Juice  on Claudia, going on, I think a year before 
she crossed over (6-2-99).  I did notice an increase of energy after starting her 
on it.  Claudia had Insulinoma and Adrenal.   

I found out about Tahitian Noni Juice from Carin Riley, through FAIML and 
Michael Janke's Shelter Website.  She is simply wonderful, in everyway and she 
loves ferrets.  Check out: http://www.miamiferret.org/fhc/riley.htm   

She told me, daily give the healthy ones 3 drops & the ill ones to give 6 drops a 
day.   2 Legged pets take a Tablespoon a day.  (Yes, we can use it too.)  
Everyone of the Closet Thieves, loved it, with the exception of Claudia.  Any & 
everything that came in a syringe was YUCKY-YUCKY.  But she got it and I 
noticed an great improvement.   

I would recommend it to everyone, 2 & 4 legged.  If I can answer anything else, 
please feel free to e-mail me directly.   

Stephanie & My Little Band of Closet Thieves:

 Spanky, SnowFlake, Moose, George & Gracie


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