From: Lynn McIntosh [faiml@uswest.net] Sent: Saturday, October 16, 1999 10:12 AM To: mjanke@miamiferret.org Subject: (Fwd) Adrenal List #08 Forwarded message: From: Self To: @SENDLIST.PML Subject: Adrenal List #08 Reply-to: Lynn McIntosh Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 20:19:07 Hi there. Michael asked me to send this off. I posted the info in a reply to him I'd gotten on this subject just this past week, but it's clear as mud. If you have info on this please send it soon and I'll get another list out today. If you didn't get List #6, please let me know, as at least one person didn't. If you'd rather have short, more frequent lists, please let me know, too! Lynn Mc. Adrenal LIst #8, dated May 10, 1997 1. Prostate Post 2. Reply: Prostate Post 3. Adrenal Update: Bunny & Tina; Gary's Recipe 1.---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Sat, 10 May 1997 07:33:27 -0400 From: "Michael F. Janke" Subject: Prostate post A guy mentioned his male ferret had a urination problem and his vet was not finding much. He also mentioned he was beginning to see hair loss at the base of the tail. I e-mailed him and asked if his vet considered an enlarged prostate as a problem, since that seems to be one of the side effects of an adrenal problem. Here's what he wrote back... > I did ask my vet about a possible prostate problem. He's of the opinion > that is isn't been convincingly proven that male ferrets have a prostate > gland. This is certainly news to me! How can they not know? Are all these vets with tons of ferret experience (mine included) that bring up possible prostate enlargement in an adrenal ferret that is having urination problems just dreaming this gland up? I have no medical training, have never seen the inside of a ferret (or anything else for that matter) but I'm flabbergasted to hear such a statement. Seems to me that the prostate shouldn't be THAT hard to find, right? And with the thousands of ferrets that have been operated on, necropsied, etc., whether or not they have this gland shouldn't be a guessing game at this point, right? Lynn, can you send this out right away? I hate to wait 2 or 3 days to write back to this guy while his ferret is not able to pee. If he needs a new vet, he needs to do it right away. For the ferrets, Mike 2.---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Sat, 10 May 1997 09:09:05 -0700 (PDT) From: Lynn Mcintosh To: "Michael F. Janke" Subject: Reply: Prostate post Hi there Michael. I'll send off a short list right away. My vet told me just last week that ferrets don't have a gland per se, but what he said was kind of confusing. That they have prostate tissue, and it isn't necessary all in one place - that's the gist of what I "understood". But this is weirder! When I called Dr. Kawasaki last week - who has done many adrenal surgeries - and asked him about Percy's frequent urination of small volumes (though larger volumes some of the time) he asked if Percy has more than one urinary bladder! He said they can get two or three samll "sacs" that can cause difficulty urinating. And I'm wondering if he's talking about prostate tissue here? He said these are difficult to remove (and he doesn't remove them), but once the adrenal problem is taken care of they clear up on their own... *confused sigh* Perhaps saying it hasn't been proven that ferrets have a prostate gland, wasn't the right terminology. Can anyone add anything more clear or enlightening??? Lynn Mc. 3. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Fri, 9 May 1997 00:55:23 -0700 From: Gary Holowicki Cc: ferret-list@cunyvm.cuny.edu Subject: Adrenal Update: Bunny & Tina; Gary's Recipe Hi there; Just an update, Bunny, my aprox. 8 y.o.rescue who was 95% bald last year is continuing to grow neck fur. It's maby 50% dense, starting to come back on the sides also. Her tail from the tip to maby 1" from her body is THICK fur:) She never had surgery, at least not in the year I've had her, and receives the current Timmy's recipe with the Drenamin supplement Dr. McCluggage in Longmont Rx'd for her. Dr. Dave McCluggage was one of the vets that helped Timmy get healed. He does Chinese herbs, acupuncture, homeopathy & DVM medicine. Neat person. Tina, Timmy's sister, was bald on her whole back, like someone shaved her. She did not have the swollen vulva like Bunny, but being on the same recipe as Bunny since maby last Sept., she now has a new coat coming in on her whole back:) Again, no surgery. I have just connected with a company that has six generations of herbal formulation experience & have sent out the first bottles of Timmy's Tonic (yea!) that has taken almost three years to put together after the company that made the original Chei Shei herbal went out of business. Two years of searching for the inventor turned up a disconnected phone & a rumor that he "moved to Montana to be a hermit". This prevented duplicating exactly the original formula, but with the addition of a few herbs in a separate bottle I think we're on to something pretty good. I'm starting to give this in a small bowl of water, & since it has the clover honey as a base, it disappears in maby 15 minutes. Oh yes, I almost forgot to say all my adrenal kids have the familiar two dots on the right ear, Marshall Farms. I heard they went from neutering at 4 weeks of age to doing it at two weeks now. Anyone know if this is for certain? I visited the local PetCo a couple of months ago & the ferrets seemed Sooo small, maby 4 weeks or less.. I hate to think of the future health problems if it's true. Just thought some good news would be nice to hear:) Take care all Gary & the gang of fur -> Thru joining, their grief has been transmuted to joy, loneliness to celebration... ..Data, in "The Tin Man" episode, STNG. ------------------------------End of Adrenal List #8----------------------