From: Lynn McIntosh [faiml@uswest.net] Sent: Sunday, March 14, 1999 9:38 AM To: faiml; mjanke@miamiferret.org Subject: Adrenal List #09 Hi there! Happy Mother's Day to human and ferret moms! Can anyone clearly and accurately describe what a ferret's prostate or prostatic tissue is? My reply to Michael was clear as mud. Please help out here if you know! I don't think he's heard anything, and I haven't either. Remember, a ferret dad's vet told him that it hasn't been "proven" that a ferret has a prostrate. What does that mean? (I'd ask my vet to post something, but he's gone for a week). Monday's around the bend. Don't forget those prayers, thoughts, and donations for Kodo! Lynn and the Furry (even Percy right now in most places!) Gang of 8 Adrenal List #9, dated May 12, 1997 1. Timmy's recipe/Adrenal group post 2. Reply: Adrenal List #7: Vena Cava Ligation 3. Vena Cava ligation 4. Marshall Farms 5. Timmy's recipe/Adrenal group post 6. Reply: Adrenal List #7: Right Side Surgery Success 7. Article/Timmy's tonic post 8. Kodo; Percy's Male Agression, Prostate Gland (vets?) 1. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Sat, 10 May 1997 14:01:17 -0600 From: Barbara Gustafson To: Gary Holowicki Subject: Re: Timmy's recipe /Adrenal group post Gary, Thank you for your recent answers my questions, I must apologize for not thanking you sooner but I've been wrapped up in this Kodo thing and busy sending letters out on his behalf. I have accumulated all the ingredients (mostly) and I've mixed up the brew. I found it tastes quite yummy up till you add the kelp stuff at which point it tasted like seaweed. The test was "Will they eat it?" At first they turned their noses up, but I fooled em. I added a bit of whipping cream and voila!! "Good to the last drop". They now get a bit each day and are loving it. Now there were three ingredients I wasn't able to get: 1) Pet Tinic liquid vitamins - my vet thought substituting 1/8 tablet Centrum human vitamins might suffice, as he thought this was probably some type of multivitamin for pets. Is this true? 2) Denamin 3650 3) Immuplex 4960 These two I could not find. The one and only holistic vet here did come up with a substitute which I could use. Problem is these are prescribed medications. This vet has never treated ferrets but said if my vet agreed she would act as a pharmacy for the prescription. So I go see my vet again, he looked over the ingredients, and was concerned with all the bovine parts. He said he has no knowledge of what this would do to a ferret and so was hesitant to prescribe either of them. He did however say that if I could get any information or research on these drugs and their effect on ferrets he was more than willing to look it over. So Gary, any ideas as to where I might get information on these two drugs???? Overall my vet thought that I should try the diet as he felt "It certainly can't do them any harm and if there was any chance it could help then I should go for it." He also asked me to keep him informed as to how I felt it was working. I thought this was wonderful of him to show such interest. 2.---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Sat, 10 May 1997 14:17:52 -0600 From: Barbara Gustafson Subject: Reply: Adrenal List #7: Vena Cava Ligation Lynn, Ok I now I promised to get a note together about this vena cava ligation, please forgive me Lynn, I been busy busy busy with the Kodo issue. I felt it had to take first place. I'm working on the request as we speak and my next e-mail to you will be about just that. I'm interested in this statement that Dr Kawasaki made here about weaning ferrets off Prednisone when they've had both glands removed. My vet told me with Hobie that he would have to take his for the rest of his life. Am I harming Hobie by doing this? Lynn wrote; > I spoke with Dr. Kawasaki today and it sounds like he would opt for > surgery - says he does 95% of the time. He also is taking out both > adrenals -- started this recently -- where both are diseased and treating > with prednisone for a few weeks than weaning ferrets off. Says a vet he > spoke with at a recent conference has been doing bi-lateral > adrenalectomies for 20 years followed by a period of prednisone, and the > vet hasn't consequently ever lost a ferret! Could this be great news?! > Dr. Kawasaki said theres usually some ectopic adrenal tissue, pinhead > sized on average, sitting opposite the left adrenal across the vena cava > that possibly is providing the necessary adrenal function. 3. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Sat, 10 May 1997 14:40:53 -0600 From: Barbara Gustafson To: JBForest@AOL.COM Cc: Lynn Mcintosh, ShariDiane@AOL.COM Subject: Vena Cava ligation Hi Janet and Shari, I'm interested in your recent posts to the Adrenal group regarding the vena cava ligation that was done on Pouka and Roque. This seems to be procedure that is relatively unknown to a lot of vets out there, and yet it has a lot of significant benefits to ferrets suffering from adrenal tumors in the right gland. I feel that the both of you are in a position to help the rest of us adrenal ferret owners to help educate our own vets regarding this procedure. Would one or both of you be willing to speak to your vets about how this surgery is performed? The things I would like to know are 1) Is special training required by the vet to perform this surgery. 2) What complications can occur during surgery 3) What complications might occur following surgery 4) What if any medication is required as a result of the ligation. 5) Is a another ferret needed to act as a blood donor during surgery 6) Can any ferret with right adrenal gland tumor's have this surgery 7) What if any research has been done on this surgery and where would you find it. Basically I'd like to know everything there is to know so I can pass it on to my vet. What I would like to be able to do is to take a paper to my vet written by another vet who has done this procedure so he has more than just my word for it that the surgery does in fact work. If your vets are unwilling or unable to write up a paper for us, maybe they could recommend someone who might be able to help. If you are unable to do this maybe you could give me the names, addresses and/or email addresses of your vets and I could send them a letter requesting the information. 4.---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Sat, 10 May 1997 17:13:42 -0400 (EDT) From: Ster2872@aol.com Subject: Marshall Farms I have a ferret with adrenal problems courtesy of Marshall Farms practice of spaying and neuturing too early. I want to know if anyone has addressed this problem with them and how to contact them. Surely they would stop this practice if they new the carnage they were causing. Let me know Sterling 5.---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Sat, 10 May 1997 19:41:48 -0600 From: Barbara Gustafson To: Gary Holowicki Cc: Lynn Mcintosh Subject: Re: Timmy's recipe /Adrenal group post Reply to Gary ---------- > From: Gary Holowicki > To: Barbara Gustafson > going way down, Deliver is useful as a complete food as it was designed for > tube feeding for people. > > The Immuplex & drenamin can be had from Nature's Alternative", here > in Scottsdale, 602-941-0733. They will ship on a phone order.. This is > mentioned in pard D) of the latest recipe, so I'll include a copy below. > There are some old versions floating around that may not have all these > details. These two are not Rx in the FDA drug class, though they usually > are sold thru chiropractors & holistic vets. This is the companies choice, > not due to law. There are no drugs in the prescription sense, rather > things you could get in most health food stores individually or in other > combinations. Gary I'm thinking that maybe your laws there on drugs are different from ours. The similar drug here is definitely an Rx. > > The attached file lists the origional Chei Shei herbal & a formula > I'm having made I'm calling Timmy's Tonic. Combined with a specific > anti-tumor formula it seems like it covers the old ingredients that helped > Timmy get well. I can send these to you & the two others if you're out of > the country, as Natures' has trouble going out of the US., their just a > small family business. Yesterday I shipped Timmy's Tonic to Torronto so > I'm learning the regulatons, slowly. I wasn't able to open your attached files, all I got was garbled stuff and a note that said I had to convert the with BinHex4 (what ever that is) I will try to find out. Anyway if you could send that stuff to me I would be forever in your debt. I would also like some of TImmy's Tonic. Is it just for Insulinoma? My two ferts have adrenal not the other. So would I still need it. Please let me know how you want to arrange to send this stuff. RE: the Pet Tinic, I will call the 800 number. I was hoping to avoid that cause of the exchange rate but since there's nothing like it here I guess it's my last resort. +++++++++++++++++++++++++ 6. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Sat, 10 May 1997 23:12:35 -0400 From: "Michael F. Janke" Subject: Reply: Adrenal List #7: Right Side Surgery Success > From: Dave and Pam Taynor > To: 'Lynn Mcintosh' > Subject: Right side surgery success > > Hello everyone, > > I just heard from my vet and Rikki, my 5yo ferret, is doing fine after > undergoing right side adrenal surgery! Yea!!! I am so relieved. It was > attached to both the vena cava which he ligated and to the liver. So glad to hear this!! I hope Rikki's recovery is fast and he's back to his normal, mischievous self just as soon as possible. Max is going to need right adrenal surgery real soon, and I hope his is as successful. He already had his left removed two months ago, and maybe I'm expecting too much, but I think by now he would have had some hair regrowth, or at least not more thinning as it has. He's also still very aggressive towards poor Beasley. No urination problems yet, thank goodness. For the ferrets, Mike * Michael F. Janke - mjanke@bridge.net * Member, South Florida Ferret Club & Rescue * Editor, SFFCR's Ferret Footnotes Newsletter * Webmaster, SFFCR's web site * * Shelter Website - http://www.bridge.net/~mjanke 7.---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Sat, 10 May 1997 22:59:39 -0400 From: "Michael F. Janke" Subject: Article/Timmy's tonic post > To MICHAEL JANKE: By the way, Michael, Cathy said go ahead and post her > article to her newsletter, but reminded you to mention that it was > published in the Seattle-King County Vet Med Association "VetRap" > newsletter. Thanks! Something else I should have asked at the same time... I am going to put together a "Medical Info" page on our web site. I hope it's equally ok to put that article there? > From: Gary Holowicki > I have just connected with a company that has six generations of > herbal formulation experience & have sent out the first bottles of Timmy's > Tonic (yea!) Is this and "Timmy's recipe" one in the same? And where would this be available? For the ferrets, Mike * Michael F. Janke - mjanke@bridge.net * Member, South Florida Ferret Club & Rescue * Editor, SFFCR's Ferret Footnotes Newsletter * Webmaster, SFFCR's web site * * Shelter Website - http://www.bridge.net/~mjanke NOTE: I wrote Michael and said I'd contact Dr. Johnson-Delaney to make sure posting her article on the "Medical Info" page of the shlter web site. I'll ask her about ferret not-for-profit newsletters and web sites in general, too, in case anyone else might want to reprint the article. LMc 8.---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Sun, 11 May 1997 09:50:13 -0700 (PDT) From: Lynn Mcintosh To: ferret fml